Blog EntryEmbarassing ParentingAug 6, '06 6:19 AM
for everyone

I'm not sure about you, but I think a child can stop using the milk bottle by, say, 3 years old?

As much as this entry seems so gossipy, I hope to convey an abnormality of this generation, or more aptly, degeneration.

So I was on the train today on my way back home and opposite me was boy feeding from a milk bottle. (See picture 1.)

Then on further observation, which included eavesdropping on his grasp of English, Chinese and the occasional "lahs" and "lehs" (he speaks in complete sentences), estimation of his height, he was probably 9 years old. (See picture 2.)

Goodness! A 9-year-old boy still drinking from a bottle?

Indulge me as I add insult to injury:
This grown boy needs to be coaxed to be fed by the maid.
This grown boy needs to rest his head on the maid's lap to drink milk.
This grown boy cannot wait till after the train ride to be fed.
This grown boy claims that he cannot finish the bottle of milk.
This grown boy is drinking milk from a bottle. (I can't get over this!)

Oh, did I mention that his parents behaved as if they weren't related to each other and the child. The mother stood at the train doors while the maid was feeding the boy. The father sat a few seats away from the maid, "absorbed" in his newspaper.
Can't blame them though. I would behaved the same if I were that boy's parent.
Yes, I do agree it is an embarrassment as parents to have a grown child who still drinks from a milk bottle.

Oh, how do I know they are family?
The milk bottle incident happened on the east-west line. Once they transferred to the north-south line at Jurong East, they sat together as if nothing happened, except for the father though, he was still at his newspapers. (See picture 3.)

I see the future, and the future is bleak.



Update:
In case anyone decides that I am in no position to judge, and decides to take on the role of judging me themselves...
I like to be responsible for my blog. While I may chronicle things the way that I see them, I also attempt to be fair to the subject matter. This is the same for this entry. I spent a good 1 hour on the train observing this family and the boy particularly. And I conclude the boy is physically and mentally able for his age.
In short, if I had any doubts about the boy's condition or the family's, this entry would not be here.
And if you want to stand up for the boy because you have only read this entry and seen the pictures, by all means do so.
You didn't see the actual event for yourselves, so you can only make yourselves look clever by making good proper assumptions.
However, if you want to call me names, how does that make you different from me?
If you want to make me a bad guy, you'd better play fair and win.



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ravenfoo wrote on Aug 7, '06
Hey bro... Some quries from me... heehee...
1.) For the 3rd pic: cannot see dad with newspaper leh.. then is the lady in the black dress related to the boy?

2.) Is the boy perfectly alright? As in no disabilities mentality and physically(physically seems alright to me)

Just to share how my mum get rid of my milk bottle:
She threw it away right in front of my very eyes mann... How could she do that to her own son??? Its like the whole world crashing down on me... Hahaha... But it help as i started to drink from the cup from then on...

Tell u wat...
My child will suck from camelbak mann... Sak Kee right... hahaha... imagine a full 3 ltr of milk i'll be carrying on my back for my child... hahaha... I can take a sip too if i'm thirsty too...


kormmandos wrote on Aug 7, '06, edited on Aug 7, '06
1.) Exactly, the father was sitting 2 seats away from me, on my left. Still acting blur, reading his newspaper. The lady in black is apparently the boy's sister.

2.) The boy can run, jump, do the kiddy version of the pole dance, obey instructions and talk back to his mother and sister. That's pretty normal for a boy of that age, right?

Haha! Talk about shock treatment.
Think my parents first introduced me to the cup. Then once I was adequately proficient with it, the milk bottle "magically" went out of sight and out of reach.
I remember asking my mum when I was young why don't I use the bottle any more. She answered that I have grown up / was too old for the bottle. Which makes sense, can ask questions, psycho-motor skills surely also can handle drinking from cup without spilling, so I therefore "graduated" from the milk bottle.
But then again, I still spill occasionally when drinking from a cup... but that's because I was very thirsty.
ravenfoo wrote on Aug 7, '06
Hahaha... Well, shall we call upon all to share how they got rid of their milk bottle and graduated to a "cup drinker" when they were still a kid???

It'll be quite an interesting topic i believe... : )
kormmandos wrote on Aug 7, '06
That's an idea.
Maybe I'll put it up on Tomorrow.sg
fongkahchun86 wrote on Aug 8, '06
Looking at your first picture, it reminds me of the photo published in one of the Today newspaper few weeks ago. Apparently, it's a complaint on a family who is inconsiderate whereby the father was reading newspaper with his shopping bags occupying another seats. His son was lying on his mum's lap occupying 3 seats by both mother and son. The writer was pissed by them as there were many other passengers who need the seats more than them.

Regarding about this kids who still drink from milk bottle, all I can say is; he's a spoilt brat. A pity that his family doesn't inculcate a shame for such behavior.
kormmandos wrote on Aug 8, '06
By the way, you want to know the worst part?

I was observed that the father not only had newspaper with him.
He also had with him some Christian magazines with him!
Talk about adding insult to injury man!
av4l0n wrote on Aug 9, '06
Maybe the kid is not well. Like mentally retarded or something.
psychoeddings wrote on Aug 9, '06
I suppose it is a reality check for many.

The sadder thing is that many other parents are oblivious to it; perhaps it is because they are ALL doing it? It seems to be the trend that with 2 parents working, an a live-in domestic helper, the maid is actually doing more of the 'parenting'.

And I do find that it is a weird position to be, as 1) the maid is still under the employment of the parents of the child, and 2) it's virtually impossible to teach the children morals and values (not when they threaten to complain to their parents.

In short - my grouse - "KIDS - If you don't want to care for them, can't care for them, or plan to teach them, why have them in the first place?"

Or am I just being over-cynical?
serendipitygracey wrote on Aug 10, '06
This is really sad man..I got rid of my "tu-tu" when i was less than a year..I asked my mum for it but she say she had thrown it away and I actually didn't make any fuss..
What had the world coming to?I'm just disgusted by it..Seriously
injenue wrote on Aug 10, '06
so holier than thou eh pple? what's wrong with drinking from the bottle? it's simply a comfort thing. no need to kick up such a big fuss right? and from the pic it seems like everybody was just occupying one seat each, so what's the problem? i don't complain that you're ugly so live and let live lar.
kormmandos wrote on Aug 10, '06, edited on Aug 10, '06
injenue said
so holier than thou eh pple? what's wrong with drinking from the bottle? it's simply a comfort thing. no need to kick up such a big fuss right? and from the pic it seems like everybody was just occupying one seat each, so what's the problem? i don't complain that you're ugly so live and let live lar.
Well, well, then doesn't your comment make you "holier" than all of us who think it isn't right?
Since when did you become the judge of how we should think?
Maybe you're one of them, either the parent or the child.

Oh wait! You mean you still drink from a bottle?
Wow! If a picture of you suckling from a bottle goes online, I think you'll be even more famous than that Pasir Ris Pervert!
So what do you say? Good idea?

But thanks to people who couldn't care less like you, we live in a degenerating society.

For the record, if the boy were autistic, this entry would not be here.
I'm not another stuck up K Bhavani.
beatific wrote on Aug 10, '06
"For the record, if the boy were autistic"

You are a douche. How can you diagnose if the boy is autistic or not? You medically trained? Or just another monkey on the MRT with a cameraphone?

Next. The water bottle in essence, is just another fluid delivery device. ie. its really no different than - a mineral water bottle, or a cup with a straw or a sigg bottle.

Maybe the parents don't want the kid to spill water,and don't want to buy a water bottle, so use his old bottle to let him drink? Who knows? You are you to judge?

Since when must age determine what kind of water container you must use? So age < 5 cannot use bottle? Who made this rules up? Is there a age limit for using straw to drink? Or an age limit to drink from a paper cup?

Why don't we have an age limit to use camera phones?







kormmandos wrote on Aug 10, '06
"For the record, if the boy were autistic"

You are a douche. How can you diagnose if the boy is autistic or not? You medically trained? Or just another monkey on the MRT with a cameraphone?

Next. The water bottle in essence, is just another fluid delivery device. ie. its really no different than - a mineral water bottle, or a cup with a straw or a sigg bottle.

Maybe the parents don't want the kid to spill water,and don't want to buy a water bottle, so use his old bottle to let him drink? Who knows? You are you to judge?

Since when must age determine what kind of water container you must use? So age < 5 cannot use bottle? Who made this rules up? Is there a age limit for using straw to drink? Or an age limit to drink from a paper cup?

Why don't we have an age limit to use camera phones?







Would you suckle from a milk bottle at your age today then?

Oh, same for you: Who are you to judge me then?

Talk so big end up also judging people yourself.

By the way, though I'm not medically trained, I dealt with children with special needs before, many autistic. I don't know the best, but I know well enough.
beatific wrote on Aug 11, '06, edited on Aug 11, '06
I would drink from any fluid dispenser if I'm thirsty enough. Happy?

Ask you then. Would you drink from a gold cup with urine, or a milk bottle filled with clean mineral water?

In a desert with thousands of milk bottles (with clean water) buried in the sand, you'll probably still die of thirst.
beatific wrote on Aug 11, '06, edited on Aug 11, '06
and btw, don't reply comments that oppose you with - ' You say I judge ppl, but who are you to judge me" or similar shite answer.

I am asking you who are you to judge the kid, and you ask me who am I to judge you?

WTF? How's that for a non-answer! It's probably the best answer for somebody who knows nothing.

So you by virtue that you worked with children with special needs means that you can be sure which kid is autistic?

So does that mean that nurses, by virtue of working with patients, can do an operation like a doctor?

Come on. So by observing these people for 1 hour, you know them inside out?

Can people observe that you are taking secret cameraphone pictures of passengers on an MRT without their permission, and "assume" that you are a pervert?






kormmandos wrote on Aug 11, '06
I would drink from any fluid dispenser if I'm thirsty enough. Happy?

Ask you then. Would you drink from a gold cup with urine, or a milk bottle filled with clean mineral water?

In a desert with thousands of milk bottles (with clean water) buried in the sand, you'll probably still die of thirst.
I would do the same if I am thirsty enough too.
And before I answer your question...
Would YOU drink urine if you had the choice? No, right?
Except if you were trapped under rubble of a collapsed building and the only water source for survival is your own.
Or if you have found drinking it to be beneficial to your health, which some people claim it does.
For which I will applaud you for your will to survive and fear factor worthiness.

So for your question:
Sure! I would drink mineral water from the milk bottle, but I would unscrew the mouthpiece first.
I may have my views, but I'm not stupid and inflexible.
I can put you in a desert with only of gold cups of urine, and for the sake of survival you would drink too.
So what's your point?
kormmandos wrote on Aug 11, '06
and btw, don't reply comments that oppose you with - ' You say I judge ppl, but who are you to judge me" or similar shite answer.

I am asking you who are you to judge the kid, and you ask me who am I to judge you?

WTF? How's that for a non-answer! It's probably the best answer for somebody who knows nothing.

So you by virtue that you worked with children with special needs means that you can be sure which kid is autistic?

So does that mean that nurses, by virtue of working with patients, can do an operation like a doctor?

Come on. So by observing these people for 1 hour, you know them inside out?

Can people observe that you are taking secret cameraphone pictures of passengers on an MRT without their permission, and "assume" that you are a pervert?






And by the context of this conversation you know me inside out too?
Are you just vying for attention? Fine, I'll give you the attention you need.

Were you at the scene of what happened?

You very funny leh. Think about your use of parallels before using them, ok?
Nurses by virtues of working with patients definitely cannot perform an operation like a surgeon.
What they can do from it is to suggest what may be wrong with the patient.

Put it back in context, I am suggesting that the boy is normal but drinking from a milk bottle.
You are the one who is suggesting he is autistic, and thereby kicking up a fuss here.

You want to stand up for the boy or you want to quarrel with me?
If you got nothing better to do, so be it. Carry on posting replies.
ravenfoo wrote on Aug 19, '06
Disclaimer: I'm not here to create toruble ya... peace peace...

Hey bro, next time i think beta take a video of the process and then let ppl see and judge for themselves better... (since observing and judging is a instinct that we are born with...)

Hmmm... i donoe about the rest of u all but for sure i'll unscrew the "Neh-Tu" before i drink from the bottle... The tiny hole will make me suck like hell mann... I think most grown ups will do the same too...

SY, still remember our trekking trip from Pierce Reservoir to Bukit Panjang? We got lost and our canteen ran dry... We neither have a golden cup nor any clean mineral water in milk bottles.

We were damn thirsty and in the end? In order to survive, we just drank raw untreated water straight from the reservoir... We could still clearly seen the algae floating in the bottle right in front of our very eyes while we are gulping down the raw water... WHo could have imagine that even in Singapore 6 young man would be drinking raw untreated water from a reservoir in order to survive...

People do survive in the desert by drinking their own urine althought it's not advisable by survival expert, it'll make u more thirsty. It's all up to the victim's decision if he wan to drink his own recycled water or not... U drink, u have a chance to live and be save. U don? U are simply giving up a important chance. Even if the milk bottle comtains dirty water, i'll drink too...





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